On a visit to the Uberti factory I saw an example of an aged Colt 1860 Army revolver and had it not been for the Italian marks it could very easily have passed as an original. It was made in 1980 and has all of the standard proof marks but I don't know who manufactured the rifle. Thanks for the info Gaz. Can anyone help? My heart bleeds for you gun lovers in the U.K. This is one of the first Uberti made replicas that Val Forgett had imported. I suspect your CR is really a poor stamping of CB, which would be 2007. 0000038657 00000 n The Old Model started production in 1861 with the slightly improved New Model Army coming out in 1863 . 0000005921 00000 n Behind that were two Italian proof marks. On the top of the barrel, an inch in front of the rear sight, was PATENT. black powder side by side deringer And it has no markings, How can a guy find out who makes it?? Recently bought a Uberti Walker with a CB date code, so I'm pretty sure about those last two codes. shooting, hunting, fishing, blacksmithing, CAS, Cars, Traveling 5) The palm tree logo of Palmetto Arms. It just seems that a little more care in their placement could result in more acceptability and perhaps more sales to the purists. 0000062843 00000 n FREE! Year Mark Year Mark Year Mark Year Mark Year Mark Year Mark Year. Great find and it's worth preserving this very collectible piece. 8) A variation of the DGG stamping on Armi San Paulo or early Euroarms products. Pre 60s? 12) Pedersoli sometimes stamp their name on the inside of the lock. Any information or ideas on this gun would be greatly appreciated. I pray for all on the wire and all that I shoot with.After this last fight with cancer that my wife and GOD and all of you that prayed for her.Things change your outlook some. To provide the best experiences, we use technologies like cookies to store and/or access device information. x4hjF%1I'WVH">^I*Yt} FSYD"}di)IK n!Hhf$=o:k$y}$*&L(\G'zyKdlG?Q\7>>SSV6K#OqDSIpzNh~~ x #=l%l&U ps~31H^$qB^7'0]?Ew#E=9+|uL>k/,xS-7wiN=KqOF` m2; ul_w`N` Lv endstream endobj 36 0 obj 741 endobj 37 0 obj << /Filter /FlateDecode /Length 36 0 R >> stream The original rolling-block pistol was based on the split-breech carbine invented by Joseph Geiger. "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not" - Thomas Jefferson. However, the only proof mark I can find that looks like a 'house' proof is on the butt of the gun: a PR where the P and the R are overlapped, right next to the 3-digit serial #. Ubertis 1860 Henry Rifle Trumps Henrys Original Lever-Action, Sturm, Ruger Rolls Out Significant New Pistols, Revolvers, and Rifles, Ruger American Long-Range Target (LRT) 8378 22 LR. It was not rust bluing, but looked close enough to it to satisfy us. We did not fire this pistol. This is not one of the standard Pedersoli or Pietta proof marks, nor is it a Uberti proof mark. I have a .44 cal B/P pistol with an logo of s inside a hexagon inside a circle. Be sure to match the rifles caliber to that of your handguns as you ride off into the sunset to your next shooting match, just as they did in the Old West. xb``e``yhXa`+(y-[6zX8-dRRh i9W@Zu"vl=d*b5,JqXx ,8Pl}C;a>aN )10Zx'@ R3 My wife and grand kids and my kids. 0000008415 00000 n Looks like if they were they would have had to do the entire gun, there are no deep gouges or deep file marks anywhere other than it looking worn. 0000007873 00000 n This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies. For all practical purposes, the import of Italian replica cartridge sixguns started in 1962. Could it be possible proof marks and makers marks were filed off of it. 0000078152 00000 n It is available on the web from Adobe as a free download. Other side says Palmer brescia Italy. 0000105711 00000 n Without seeing the pistols it is difficult to know exactly what they are. COLT 1873 BUCKHORN S.A. TARGET (TMR) cal .44 Magnum. 0000051690 00000 n I guess it could be some other kind.Would like it find out who made it. The right side of the octagonal chamber is marked "CAL. It is in the 2,000 serial range and has GU mark. I have a 62 cal, shield inlay, short stock, palm tree markings, liverpool on the side plate. The bluing was authentic looking. The quality, fit, finish, smooth function, bluing and the absolutely gorgeous wood stock! and the accuracy of the Henry over my Uberti was amazing! so two years ago I bought one and have not been one tiny bit disappointed with the fact that I paid a thousand dollars more, its worth every penny and its American made. If you don't Facebook PM me the details of the rifle and I'll make sure he gets it. Another Brescia based company, Armi Sport, marks their guns with AC within a circle. We tested mainly with PMC cowboy-type ammo, which is a mild load with a hard lead bullet. It will come as no surprise then to find that the Italian Proof House is also in the valley. I believe Henry Krank may have de-activated examples of these. 0000003341 00000 n Box 275, McGregor, IA 52157, ~ Ring Us at 563-873-2387 or TOll Free at 866-259-9172. It will make a nice addition to any collection, especially as a companion gun to a rifle chambered for the same cartridge. The Trapper 342910 in 45 Colt has an 18.5-inch barrel, a brass frame and buttplate, and a case-hardened lever. ITALY. All markings are from Italy in 1982. by F.A.R.A; It appears to be a notch or two higher quality in fit & finish to the many such repros of this rifle I've seen over the yearsanyone have knowledge of the maker? Once this unconstitutional law is struck down or repealed, this restriction will be removed. 0000012277 00000 n Thank you. Then I saw a Henry Repeating Arms 1860 Original and absolutely fell in love. on the underside of the barrel there is 2 5 on the bore and 5 2 on the breech. There were a good many very small "family shops" in the Gardone, Brescia area of Italy . Uberti set the standard for producing quality replica firearms by which all others are judged. 0000005072 00000 n We accomplished that with a Sharpie, and that helped our groups. The proof marks are described in Table 2. Okiepan. 5) The palm tree logo of Palmetto Arms. A copy of a shipping manifest dated December 23, 1986 from Aldo Uberti & Co. to Colt Industries Firearms Division (Charter Oak Blvd, W. Hartford CT 06119 USA) detailing Italian Goods to be Exported. 0000001791 00000 n there is no calibre or name on it. Of course, original Henry rifles were never chambered for anything but the 44 Henry Rimfire, so whether you choose 44-40 or 45 LC for your modern 1860 Henry is of no consequence. I have one 4 revolving barrel handgun, percussion, double action, looks like 36 caliber. 0000002932 00000 n OCT. 16. Thank you. Unfired. Minimal tooling marks on inside of brass. Italy" is on the bottom of the barrels. The era of reproduction Western firearms began in the early 1950s when Val Forgett, of the American Navy Arms company, visited this area of Italy in search of a manufacturer who could make a copy of the Colt 1851 Navy revolver. All the controls worked smoothly, and our range session was most pleasant. Likewise, many of the Winchester or Sharps rifle clones will have been manufactured in the same area. Loading the rifle was easy, by which we mean the follower easily raised the front lock to let the gate swing open without any of the fiddling the Henrys version needed. Our first glance at the Uberti test model was extremely satisfying. 0000009592 00000 n 0000004339 00000 n H\j0~ revolver, the square with the letters(AE in this case) are only on the bottom of the barrel after the Uberti name and proof marks. The company has used this mark since it produced its first reproduction, a Colt 1851 Navy, in 1959. 0000004778 00000 n The right side of the frame is marked . All are very friendly, and if any of you have a problem with the way your weapon percolates, there will be at least a half dozen guys who have experienced the same problems, and they will be delighted to help with advice. That's your build date. The markings remain clear. Could it be one of those? %PDF-1.6 % 0000005051 00000 n For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. I was recently given an Italian made.58 Remington 1863 "Zouave". there are no marks anywhere except serial #xxx on bottom of barrel below base pin. I have to disagree with Zonie just a bit. The bottom tang has a proof mark with a "U" inside of it. The edges between them were sharp enough and, sighting along the flats, we found them to be dead level. I have always wanted one of my own so about 12 years ago I purchased a Uberti 1860 Henry and absolutely loved it! Yes, that can be confusing, but we did like the 1860 Henry by the Italian maker better than we did the namesake brands gun. I have .36 caliber 1851 navy model with the markings, black powder only made in Italy on the barrel and the 3 standardized proof house marks on the other side but I dont see any of the Italian makers marks, except for a name of HUBERTUS in a rectangular box. HV{PTwjrh"1 fv] Stamping on the frame is CMC or CMG also not clear. Deep blued 6 side 7.5" barrel, case hardened loading rod and hammer. The crest consists of crossed rifles with bayonets and a hammer and anvil. Centred around the village of Gardone, the Val Trompia region has the highest concentration of gun makers anywhere in the World. Englishmen are not CITIZENS, they are SUBJECTS! The proof house marks and manufacturing code are stamped elsewhere on the gun. Thats why we dont call the capacity 13+1, as its given on the website. The Rifle models have similar cosmetics to the Trapper but have 24.5-inch barrels, one chambered in 44-40 (342390) and our test gun in 45 Colt. To my amazement, I found another Uberti/Colt .22 single action at Collector Firearms' web site . Listed were 65 breech load revolvers (Stallion, Cattleman, Buckhorn and Phantom model names) and one muzzle load revolver Paterson prototype. They made two versions of the Colt 1855 sidehammer revolver, one in .31 calibre and the other in .36. 0000027918 00000 n There are already a number of these fakes out there, just waiting for the unwary and uninformed, and there are those who would welcome the opportunity to provide even more. Again photographs are the first step in identification. You have doubtless seen the obligatory BLACK POWDER ONLY marking (stamped on the barrel of all Italian made black powder guns) and the proof house stamps, but are you aware of their significance? The sights were identical to those found on the Henry Henry, the rear having all the same little cuts, holes, notch contours, elevation slide and markings as on the other rifle. Copyright 2023 Aceville Publications Ltd. The proof house marks and manufacturing code are stamped elsewhere on the gun. 22 HORNET". In fact, if you leave the lever partly open, its possible to shove the carrier down so it can catch the first round loaded. %PDF-1.4 % By The website has it right at 13. thank you. 0000052647 00000 n Any British "Would be Pistoleeero's are welcome to contact me at my e-mail address: . 7) Mark on a recent Euroarms revolver. The Beretta family can trace their gunmaking roots in this region back almost five hundred years. Nit mine but it is just like this one in the link below. The operation of the action is smooth and the fit of the action's side plates is excellent. Just wondering what firm F.A.R.A was/is? the one I have is in the 2,000 serial range. We were extremely gratified to see a company making such a high-grade version of the old Henry, never mind where in the world its made. "Subject to the will of the Crown!" We cant knock the rifle for that, however, because it all looked clean and crisp with those sharp edges. The screwheads have strong slots and remain serviceable. See Attachment 5. As with all previously owned firearms, a thorough cleaning may be necessary to meet your maintenance standards. Internet info = nothing so far, any help out there?? I take it that it was made in 1979, which sounds right, I bought it used in the early 1980's. It is a well made old gun. Happy New Year! The left side of the frame has Italian proof marks. Aldo Uberti S.r.l. Hi, Dennis We also tried, but did not record, Remington factory ammo and some handloads. 0000005942 00000 n Aldo Uberti S.r.l. Some kind of a star over a shield, a star over PN or PSF? H\@OQEcb{+ nb~{:0|wvrqrkx?:S],\hi~,]#M=m.0Mn6sjZ]e/&oKZ!b>^SM U\bw~tWcV.Y,qd^"+"!b^!{w{=2i3{dad:=Npz:=~E~e~MYxGxGxGxGxGx=SOA>} The right side of the chamber is marked "CAL. Rooster Cogburn. The Winchester won a clear victory in that head-to-head test of lever actions, but we were intrigued by the Henry nonetheless. The technical storage or access is strictly necessary for the legitimate purpose of enabling the use of a specific service explicitly requested by the subscriber or user, or for the sole purpose of carrying out the transmission of a communication over an electronic communications network. any information would be of help. I still adore my Uberti but my Henry Original is hands down the superior rifle of the two reproductions. 0000038284 00000 n 0000004861 00000 n Look on the revolver barrel or bottom or side of cylinder frame. 0000080946 00000 n If thats not true and the dull case coloring offends you, rub the parts with cold blue and call it good. River Junction Trade Co, 312 Main Street, P.O. The second proof mark is a similar star and circle, slightly larger, above the letters PN. It had an extremely heavy trigger pull. Thanks. The recently introduced line of firearms from Palmetto Arms is marked with the company logo of a palm tree within a circle, sometimes followed by the name, PALMETTO. maybe I can get a little more info. http://www.powderhombre.com/mbpproofmarks.pdf You must have Adobe or similar software to read pdf files. If you wish to send some photographs to the magazine I'm sure they will forward them to me and I may be able to help you more. ITALY. 3l\9/OEK0joW/L242:ORES\";OhBzP%% - eupGHsP/Y$T y&$ iJ.iO7+asMi3>6fV#iBM u*wzY!.biCEy;Z7yA+lpNQFP+dV4N5t i Did that Dawg,nothing.There is a serial number on the receiver right in front of the lever and below the carrier and a proof mark above the carrier.There are two proof marks on the barrel and a roman numeral just in front of the receiver.Nothing on the tangs at all.It had a lever safety on it a onetime and someone took it out.It was said to be a Uberti but it does not have Uberti on it anywhere.I have had 4 Uberti 22s and this one is the only one with out Uberti on the tang.It is the smoothest and you can run it faster than any of the other ones. February 18, 2016 in SASS Wire. To become a member $3 for one day $7 one month or $15 one year, One-of-a-Kinds ~ Antique and Collectibles, Metal Shank Buttons with Victorian Design. Hello. z Sold ~ GREAT DEAL ~ First Year of Production Navy Arms, 1851 Navy Revolver. Prior to 1954 the year of proof was stamped on the guns in Arabic numerals, but this new coding system was introduced around the time of the first reproductions. [CDATA[*/var out = '',el = document.getElementsByTagName('span'),l = ['>','a','/','<',' 116',' 105',' 46',' 97',' 116',' 116',' 101',' 105',' 112',' 64',' 111',' 102',' 110',' 105','>','\"',' 116',' 105',' 46',' 97',' 116',' 116',' 101',' 105',' 112',' 64',' 111',' 102',' 110',' 105',':','o','t','l','i','a','m','\"','=','f','e','r','h','a ','<'],i = l.length,j = el.length;while (--i >= 0)out += unescape(l[i].replace(/^\s\s*/, '&#'));while (--j >= 0)if (el[j].getAttribute('data-eeEncEmail_mePVxTdjTo'))el[j].innerHTML = out;/*]]>*/, I am trying to identify and find the value of a Pietta black powder pistol that was given to me. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)/*> endobj xref 22 45 0000000016 00000 n The "1858 Remington" is a modern collector's term for the Remington New Model Army. Reaction score. Both use small lettered stamps Cirmarron tends to place the . In short, put the lever anywhere you want it during the loading process, and it will still take a full cycle of the lever to get the first round into the chamber. The Springfield Trapdoor Cartridge Rifle and Carbine was produced for the military in 1873. 0000001989 00000 n Lock, Stock & Barrel Investments '9+ }`=swrE-OqmU>zAw$aAY@O| 3) Armi San Marco name stamp (1994) 4) The distinctive Uberti logo. If you take the grips off there could be a mark on the brass underneath. Cherry's Fine Guns Home Page Commemorative Firearms, https://www.colt.com/Customer-Services/Archive-Services, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stainless_steel. 6) Pietta's logo and name stamp. Second Media Corp., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. Cylinder tight when trigger pulled all the way back. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); You have entered an incorrect email address! Uberti's extensive line of traditional guns has established a long history of reliability. Full-stocked, 32 inch barreled rifles, as well as half-stocked, short-barreled carbines, were produced. (The word Phanton was actually spelled that way on the order.) 0000105108 00000 n 0000052548 00000 n 0000007642 00000 n 0000064924 00000 n The left side of the frame has Italian proof marks. In our October 2015 issue, we took a hard look at the Henry Repeating Arms Original Rifle in a test that included a Winchester 1892, both rifles in 44-40 WCF. The technical storage or access is necessary for the legitimate purpose of storing preferences that are not requested by the subscriber or user. {Za%a\#XDs9dE;*ci8=agercR"Vf|^z 96MXKk8}vd+X0L@skz j> 'th,6bB%t%]iNjNyksz+l4 C2&y*8NOalS?E:{'-~+[+GOk-cOcJ( oGljoR_Gb }6[w;vd ! endstream endobj 34 0 obj 782 endobj 35 0 obj << /Filter /FlateDecode /Length 34 0 R >> stream OCT. 16. This is the black powder mark and will be found only on black powder weapons. In the early days of the Navy Arms / Uberti connection, Gregorelli actually produced the metal parts for the revolvers and Uberti assembled them. The barrel pictured is a perfect example as it bears all of the Italian proof A little wear from use will fix that, or these could be deburred carefully by the owner. Thank you. You could always ask Val Forgett at Navy Arms,Here is his facebook page where you can contact him, https://www.facebook.com/Navy-Arms-Firearms-326497049152/?fref=ts. In October 2016, I spotted another Uberti/Colt .44 Magnum on the Guns International web site (, No comments permitted but if you like Colt revolvers take a look. We suspect itd be a delight with black powder. Posted February 18, 2016. I think it is probably a newer reproduction just wanted to check safety of shooting it. -Ec]]`iBd[&QE~t|J3Wva64v0-uy6Owi.x1:y14y=l*^>rv^)eO>S^)zy^Qp.6CTZ=_"qU[f!=xKw2"+pMlb/}-g%0_/3LA0G#%gC_`uC/}uEpV:+kk Copyright 2019 sassnet.com Any thought on the origin of this piece? I can't find it through their pictures. Unlike the other rifle, this one came with a comprehensive yet brief manual that told how to operate it all. If the pistol has no visible marks it is almost impossible to determine the manufacturer. Where can I find them.Got a 22 cal I would like to find out about.1866,from Navy Arms no name or modle. This gun has no Italian proof marks and is not marked blackpowder only. 0000011827 00000 n Barrel is marked "Navy Arms Ridgefield NJ - Italy" and the upper tang is marked "CAL 22 LR". Most members even possess Colt Percussion Clones, by Uberti & Pietta.. There will be a third mark alongside these two and this indicates the year that the weapon went through the proof house. The manual had the mumbo-jumbo we mentioned in our earlier report about where the lever ought to be during the loading process, and we again state that it doesnt matter where you put the lever when you load the rifle. 13) Were it not for the proof marks this Uberti could easily be passed off as an original Colt. 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For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. 0000002293 00000 n It has an AE inside a box which indicates a 1979 manufacturing date. I have a .50 cal rifle, nobody can tell me anything about this rifle. Y'All take care now!! It was the earliest production of the .45 Colt model that I could find and wanted it in .45C to match my 1873 Colt single six. The technical storage or access that is used exclusively for anonymous statistical purposes. this ? The walnut stock had some lovely tiger-striping in it that our photos might not pick up, and inletting was excellent. There are some light nicks, scuffs and handling marks on the pistols metal surfaces. All of these reproductions will also be marked ITALY or MADE IN ITALY, along with a serial number, calibre and, in the case of Uberti and Pedersoli, often a catalogue number. serial # 7996. In the early days of the Navy Arms / Uberti connection, Gregorelli actually produced the metal . Each and every one of these guns must undergo testing at the Proof house and be stamped with the appropriate acceptance marks. Because the availability of 44-40 ammunition choices is fairly tight (MidwayUSA.com lists 10 choices, with only lead bullets, in weights from 200 to 225 grains), we figured if we found an 1860 we liked, wed prefer to have a wider range of loads for it, so we acquired one chambered in 45 Colt (aka Long Colt), for which MidwayUSA.com lists 56 results, in bullet weights from 145 grains to 360 grains in lead, copper, even shotshells. The stamp is not a part in the serial numbers, and it is normally found on Frame in [ ] brackets. Register today and take advantage of membership benefits. This stands for Armi Chiappa in reference to Rino Chiappa, the companys founder. Another well known name here in the UK is that of Pietta, and their logo is a diamond containing the letters FAP often accompanied by the name F.LLI PIETTA. 0000028135 00000 n 0000007017 00000 n Copyright 2011-2023 All Rights Reserved. The top of the barrel is marked A. 0000011515 00000 n All the .44s (including the Phantoms) were in the range of 75918 to 75954 and all the .22s (except 75255) were in the range of 75955 to 75985. Thats not enough recommendation for us to invest in the Henry Original, so we began looking for a similarly styled levergun and found the Uberti version of 1860 Henry for a lot less money. The Springfield Trapdoor held the new, more powerful .45-70 military cartridge. .22 Long Rifle" is marked twice around the circumference of the cylinder at the rear along with two proof marks. The collective knowledge of the members of this Forum, must total several hundred years. Be advised there are some hot 45 LC loads, such as from Buffalo Bore, that probably ought not to be used in this rifle, certainly not as a steady diet. It is not unusual to find some of these American marked guns on sale here in the UK. Without photographs of all of the marks on the pistol it is difficult to identify - see my reply above.
