Evidently his father was a German merchant of some sort, being called a Schiffer and a shopkeeper. ______________________________________________________________. Fortunately, we do have a Coble male from Jacob Kobels line, and he matches other Coble males as well. By way of variety, their ears were nightly greeted by the shrill, startling whoop of the owl, from some stridulous branches overhanging their cabins, and bending to the breeze of evening, or by the sinister croakings of some doleful night songsters in the continuous thickets. Thee were now nearly six hundred souls in this settlement. 1711 to this time. The English transported nearly 3,000 in ten ships to New York in 1710. That religion became what is known today as the Evangelical Church of America. This German colony received accessions from time to time until they reached, prior to 1745, several hundred families. Many had been reduced to begging in the streets. Destinations include New York (1708-1766). 2. In 1738, some arrived in Pennsylvania and located at Bethlehem. Still, Id much prefer to test someone from my own proven line, just in case. After the fall of the Holy Roman Empire in 1806, the Palatine nationality came to refer specifically to people of the Rhenish Palatinate, known simply as "the Palatinate".. American Palatines, e.g. Behind the old Teskey home a carved stone cider press is still in position under an old tree, an interesting validation of the fact that the Palatines brought stone-cutting and winemaking skills with them from Germany. Whats the best place I can compare DNA in order to find Gertrudes family? Drollinger/Trollinger/Trolinger/Trulinger/Drullinger. It brought history to life in a very memorable way. My dad (kit #A401371) matches your kit #A206179 on Chromosome 20, 7.2 cM. after my name and ended up in Canada. His chief German researcher, Carla Mittelstaedt-Kubaseck literally went village to village searching old church books seeking 1709ers origins. p. of heads of Palaten famileys and number of Persons in both Towns on ye west Also, the book are looking for was published not long ago. Despite the term "Palatine," Jones discovered that many of the families did not originate in the area of Germany known as the "Palatinate" (Pfalz in German). There was no relief of any kind from the government and many people were starving. 29 New York 4 October 1710. I have followed them and subsequent generations. This Swiss settlement formed the nucleus, or centre of a rapidly increasing Swiss, French and German population, in the Eden of Pennsylvania. Now all they could do was to wait forthe queento determine their fate. . It was the only one available. Cheryl J Smith Hess Smith-159364, Categories: Palatine Migration Project | Reliable Sources for Pre-1700 Profiles, WIKITREE HOME | ABOUT | G2G FORUM | HELP | SEARCH. Palatines hereafter named for themselves and their families Subsistence, Debtors There is an Irish Palatine Heritage Centre in Rathkeale, (near Limerick and Adare),Co. It is our hope that It is called the International German Genealogy Partnership. Please click on the links in the articles or to the vendors below if you are purchasing products or DNA testing. South and north of the same mountain, within the present limits of Northampton, Carbon and Lehigh - more than one hundred were killed. (Hunter Lists #263) was married that same day to his second wife, Maira St.Katherines begins on the other side of the brown building, to the far right in this photo, about half way between me and the bridge. Thanks. The Poor Palatines as they came to be called were some 13,000 Germans who arrived in England between May and November 1709 in response to a false rumor that the NY City: 25 Mar 1712: 3 pers over 10 yrs, 1 under 10 yrs 4 New York 1st July 1710. Also includes names of Palatine children apprenticed by Governor Hunter, 1710-1714. . Within a few days another 800+ Germans had crowded together in miserable rooms in St. Catherines parish in London. The Kau-ta-tn-chunk (Kittatiny or Blue Mountain) extending from the Delaware hundreds of miles westwards, was not an insurmountable barrier - that they crossed and laid out farms where shortly afterwards they, their wives and children, were exposed to the torch, hatchet and scalping knife of the savages, and their midnight assault and slaughter. heads of families or the recipient thus:--2 adults 2 young (i.e. Penn's liberal views, and illiberal course of the government of New York toward the Germans, induced many to come to this Province. The exciting new world of genetic genealogy awaits you. Over 3,000 had left London England almost 6 from 27 June to this day at the rate of 6d for persons above 10 years The German settlement kept pace with the native. Finally, don't hesitate to ask other WikiTreers (in G2G) for advice regarding the reliability of a particular work. Governor Hunter resorted to violent measures to secure obedience to his demands. With all of the frustration and disappointment, I just wanted to cry. Weiser came back to New York in 1723. FYI, Nan was hard to find, but can be reached through the Jefferson County New York Genealogical Society (JCNYGS). Co. ISBN 9780806302058. Many came to America soon after arrival in London. HAVING ONE OF THE TARGET SURNAMES DOES NOT GUARANTEE ELIGIBILITY TO JOIN. Hundreds fell victims to the relentlessly cruel savage, along the Blue Mountains, south and north of them and along the Susquehanna, as far north as Penn's Creek, from 1754-1763 and even at a later period. I would suggest that you go to GEDmatch.com, a free DNA genealogy comparison site, register and then use the File Upload link to copy your Ancestry results to GEDmatch. All children over 10 yrs were given the full allowance for an adult and were not distinguished from more mature members of the family. P. p. I had found the information on the Hudson River Valley and The Palatinates, but I havent followed up on it. belong to East Camp. St. Katherines is between the Hermitage Park, where Im standing in this photo, and the Tower Bridge. 14 New York 4th August 1710. Published by The Enterprise and News Our country has whole loads of them and call them gipsies, not knowing the language and seeing their poor clothes., Gypsies were often portrayed in Britain as parasitic intruders who invaded civilized societies while maintaining their own closed and mysterious communities. They lived some time at German town, and in the vicinity of Philadelphia. This ancient Fitzgerald castle has been completely restored and is occupied by the O'Driscoll family. First Settlement in America 1710. WebEleven or twelve ships sailed from London in 1710, carrying about 3200 Palatine immigrants to New York. There are apparently 8 people with the Egli surname who have tested, but the only one I could find in any project was from France. Gentlemen of Albany having purchased land around them, to hem them in. The aove link was just one of them. Those families charged with small sums were sent From 1735, settlements in Pennsylvania multiplied rapidly; extended over vast regions, west of the Susquehanna, whither the Scotch-Irish had led the way. (Best for messages specifically directed to those editing this profile. I notice there are only 4 in that project. To contact him, visit his website: http://www.hankjones.com. The Minnesota Vikings have completed the NFL draft process by selecting six players and adding 15 undrafted free agents. You can still read St. p. Location Thanks for bringing back memories of the docks at St. Katharines, as Ive been there on business. Expectations were for 1738 to see even larger numbers of emigrants. The water in the dock area looks dark, but you can see the boats moored today. Im zeroing in on precise timeframes and locations in my search for Gertrudes family. In the fall of 1709, one hundred and fifty families, consisting of six hundred and fifty Palatines, were transported, under the tutelar auspices of Christian De Grafferied and Ludwig Michell, natives of Switzerland, to North Carolina. The Irish Palatines The majority Also, it this literally just for Y DNA or do you accept autosomal? ). (W), Unreasonable as it may seen, it was this class of Germans, that were so much feared, "whose numbers from Germany at this rate, would soon produce a German colony here, and perhaps such a one as Britain once received from Saxony in the fifth century.". From 1710. Employees Number 405 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Advertisement This project analyzes the DNA of men who descend along the DIRECT MALE LINE from the Palatine men who left Germany during the early 18th century, DURING THE PERIOD 1708-1710 OR SOON THEREAFTER. . My maternal grandparents were Lasher/Loesher and Finkle/Finckel. My ancestors were Palatinate immigrants that settled on the Mohawk River upstream from the Hudson River in NY during that time period, too. The Germans already in London now realized that the queen had never planned to settle them in America and had been completely unprepared for their arrival. In fact, decades later, many were still trying to obtain their free land to which they were just sure they were entitled. . The redevelopedpark where Im standing,is located in the area between the green St. Roberta, I have spent so much time working on AtDNA that the Y is totally new to me.I did test at FTDNA and my results were R-M269 and my surname is Sheaffer I thought I may be able to contribute since you specifically mentioned Johann Peter Schaeffer (born c1640). Co-administrator. WebPalatine Family History of Adam Haines and 2009 Family Gathering On August 15th many of the descendants of Elizabeth (Froelich) Haines/Heins (1754-1837) and who was listed as "Urbanus Haintz" on Governor Robert Hunter's ration list on August 4, 1710. Typhus continued to decimate the emigrants. A Committee dedicated to coordinating their settlement and dispersal sought ideas for their employment. The Poor Palatines as they came to be called were some 13,000 Germans whoarrived inEngland between May and November 1709 in response to a false rumor that the Queen was giving free land in America. Ernst Emichen was our immigrant ancestor from Worms, Germany in 1709-10, who settled in NY. of Palatine Families Remaining in New York 1710. Please enable JavaScript in your browser's settings to use this part of Geni. The county was formed in 1752 from parts of Bladen County, Granville County, and Johnston County. My spouses ex is a Palantine descendant (Abraham Defoe, Christoph and Henrich Ketzbach, Johann Georg Reiffenberger lines). mind the difference between primary and secondary sources and the importance of building a Box 776 Old Saybrook , CT 06475 Tel. During All rights reserved. It consists of a trench cut into the ground deeper than the water table. In 1709 several hundred Palatine families settled in Ireland. Another option is to have your father have his Y-DNA done on Familytree DNA and then he/you can join the Palatine and/or German Y-DNA projects. While this project was initially focused on Kobel/Coble males, anyone who descends from a Kobel/Cobel line is welcome to join. Doris. I dont think his origins have ever been found in Germany, so I would be willing to pay for one test for a continuous male line descendant so we can make the project more meaningful. The locality was unpropitious. I am descended from their daughter Agnes, who married Johannes Fischbach, also original Germanna Colony settlers. Numerous men descended from that family have done y-dna testing and they came back haplogroup C-M217 almost unheard of in Europe and best known for its possible connection to Genghis Khan! . Hunter in New York 1710 Aug. 31 - John Philip Lepper, 12, orphan bound to John Hallock of Brookhaven Sept. 14 - Justina Mona, 12, orphan bound WebHunter Lists. Gender Male At Elizabethtown, where the first English settlement was made in New Jersey, 1664, there were many Germans prior to 1730. It may help me finally breach a brick wall that has lasted about 100 years! About 470 died on the journey. WebFirst Wave of Immigration of Palatines In June 1710 Governor Robert Hunter and 2,400 Germans arrived in New York from England. in red wax, as noted in Dr. Andrew's Guide." Truthfully, between being sleep deprived after an all-night flight, followed by the hotel debacle, this unplanned experiencefelt entirely surreal. Henry Jones' research regarding several Palatine groups is highly regarded and generally can be considered reliable. Article on Palatine ancestors free on Jstor, The families from which the writer is descended have no. Source: http://person.ancestry.com/tree/47958584/person/12967180411. April 20, 2023, 3:36 PM PDT. http://doriswheeler.org/ui24.htm, Doris, Thank you for the reply. You can view the grouping of men that match, in yellow, below. In 1723, some thirty-three Palatine families, dissatisfied under Governor Hunter's rule, migrated from These are wonderful resources. BOYD EHLE. Great, Great, Great, Great Grandparents of John Delos Smith Your family is in Vol. The German Palatines were natives of the Electorate of the Palatinate region of Germany, although a few had come to Germany from Switzerland, the Alsace, and probably other parts of Europe. England understood well the true policy to increase the number of the people in her American colonies - she retained at home her own subjects, encourage the emigration of Germans; by this England was the gainer, without an diminution of her inhabitants. They eventually settled in the Schoharie area. Aug. 12th: service can be imagined and not only those living today but those who will (Best for messages specifically directed to those editing this profile. Purysburgh in 1747, contained more than one hundred houses tolerably well built. Excellent summary about the Palatines travails in England. While About the same time 50 Palatine families were working to clear the way thru' the woods, a 15 mile trail to the promised land, Schoharie. If you need my DNA just ask. In the spring of 1723, thirty-three families removed and settled in Pennsylvania, in Tulpehocken, some fifteen miles west of Reading. Knittle, Walter Allen. This is the third life of St. Katherines. case where residence is known as follows: E---East I love these old brick streets too. Here they were doomed to experience the same resistance from the natives which the colonists at Halifax had met with, in settling the Peninsula; and the early history of the place contains little else than a constant succession of struggles with the savages in which, notwithstanding the powerful protection they received from the government, they lost many lives. The first boats packed with refugees began arriving in early May 1709. PALATINE ROOTS:THE 1710 GERMAN SETTLEMENT IN NEW YORK AS EXPERIENCED BY JOHANN PETER WAGNER. These are palatines who settled in NY State. Indeed,Doris was correct, and she pointed me towards Jacob Kobel and his wife, Anna Maria. Daniel married the second time as Daniel Thevoe, a widower of Switzerland, 27 Feb. 1711, to Maria Barbara Kras, wid/o Frans Poore (New York City Reformed Churchbook). ), whom that devoted minister of the cross, the Rev. From these poor but honorable Germans, have spring says Gayarre, some of the most respectable citizens of Louisiana, and some of the wealthiest sugar planters in the State. If your dad has the surname youre looking for, I recommend that he take a Y-DNA test (FamilyTreeDNA.com). By summer, some were moved to the fields and barns of Blackheath and Camberwell, now part of metropolitan London. These Edenkoben, Palatinate, Bavaria, Germa "Hans Jacob Seltzer was born in 1732 in the Upper Rhine Province, near Coblentz, in the vicinity of the famous Seltzer Springs in Germany. Jim Wilson. Background. 1231, the other (1230) is the ledger, each name being Mannor of Livingston 24 December 1711. . 2,600 Palatines, driven from their homes by the ravages of two wars and religious persecution ( the Palatinate is along the Rhine river ), arrived at Nutten Island ( Governors Island ). Someone will benefit from the database in future research, Im sure. Yet another privilege we have as genealogists: rediscovering and passing on this knowledge! WebJune 14th: 2,600 Palatines, driven from their homes by the ravages of two wars and religious persecution ( the Palatinate is along the Rhine river ), arrived at Nutten Island ( Governors Given that I certainly cant test my Y DNA (females dont have Y DNA) for the 1709er lines, I need to find males who descend from these family lines to test. Police Department Of Palatine average salary is 112 percent higher than USA average and median salary is 129 percent higher than USA median. I think someone grabbed a random hint and a bunch of others copied it. Where did they come from? The Germans, being unjustly oppressed, became dissatisfied both with their treatment, and with their situation.
