To prevent a dangerous situation by accidentally chambering a 28 Nosler cartridge into a 27 Nosler chamber, why wasnt the shoulder of the 28 Nosler moved forward like the 280 Remington and the 7mm WSM? Nosler's new Model 21 rifle provides a rare combination of reliability, precision, and portability not often found in hunting rifles. The 27 Nosler case has 42% more case capacity than the 270 Winchester, 25% more than the 270 WSM and 12.5% more than the 270 Weatherby. The .270 was introduced in the Winchester Model 54, but it was not an instant success. 1 of Field & Stream. Advertised muzzle velocity is 2,835 fps. I figure Ill shoot the barrel out of it, and then put on a high-end target barrel to replace it. The result is a standard setting offering from Nosler that redefines performance as radically now as the 270 Winchester did upon its introduction in 1925. Im not sure I see the point here. Respective muzzle velocity ratings for Nosler Trophy Grade ammunition loaded with 150-gr. It's not well known that Nosler built its own barreled actions in-house for many years before ever making its rifles available to the public. Anyone who doesnt like the .277 bore can shoot what you want. Lets explore some comparisons, crunching numbers against traditional .270 Winchester loads, and then adding 7mm Rem. A few days later, my guide and I managed to locate an old 32 mule deer across a canyon in the high country. HSM, Federal, Nosler, and Weatherby offer .270 Wby. Pass. Caliber = internal diameter of a barrel bore, outside diameter of a bullet. The Weatherby has held the longest point blank range record for a very long time. To provide a benchmark of popular modern and classic competing rounds, Ive added the 6.5 Creedmoor and the 7mm Rem. The 27 Nosler has the potential to be a real winner, so if enough riflemen ask for it, Nosler could very possibly change that policy. A few months prior to the official introduction of the .270 WSM in 2002, I used a Browning A-Bolt chambered for it to take a very large nilgai bull on the King Ranch in Texas. and 6.5 PRC. He was a huge fan of the Savage action because when the barrel was shot out, he would remove it, cut a couple of inches or so off it, re-ream the chamber, rethread it and put it back on. Your mileage will vary, according to how you treat your bore, how hot you let the barrel get, how hot you load your ammo, etc, etc. I seldom notice recoil when shooting a rifle at game, but a muzzle brake is nice to have when accuracy testing and developing handloads. There would be some additional gunsmithing involved. The Remington is more accurate, but the Winchester is accurate enough to take game as far away as I care to shoot. AccuBond with a 0.591 BC. It has an impressive G1 BC of .620.No, this projectile wont work in your .270 Winchester. While it is 13 ozs. Federal has created a safer, easier and more reliable way to shoot a muzzleloader. If needed, 27 Nosler brass can be formed from 30 Nosler brass. Still a great rifle. I'm doing Bartlein instead of Proof and running a different brake, action, and scope, but using GW stock and bottom metal etc. in the hands of Americas hunters. An all-out, full-throttle kinda cartridge, it pushes that 165-grain ABLR bullet at an eyebrow-raising 3,150 fps. I have one, and Im quite impressed with what I got for the money. It is a pretty impressive feat to push 150 gr that fast in a slicker bullet profile than .30 cal. And I also do like the quantification you applied. and 6.5 Creedmoor data to see how this new modern breed of .270s measures up.For starters, we need to establish the practical capability of the classic .270 Winchester, with classic .270 bullets. rifles, but anytime tall mountains are to be climbed, a lighter rifle will hang from my shoulder. Pressure-tested data came from Nosler, Hodgdon and VihtaVuori. Today, as a result, cartridges that dont have a reputation for superior accuracybacked up by success in competitionor that dont fill a specific niche are having a rough go of it. Its 26-inch Shilen barrel measured 1.15 inches at the receiver, and from there it tapered to a muzzle diameter of 0.635 inch. Before concluding, I must remind you that the classic .270 Winchester is not compatible with the superbly aerodynamic new projectiles unless you fit an aftermarket barrel with a fast 1:8 rifling twist rate. It was a hell of a run. Bolt Action Rifles. In order to make modern cartridges fit into, and feed from, rifle magazines with modern, high-BC bullets, adequate head height must be engineered into cartridge design.Velocity with the 165-grain Nosler ABLR is advertised at 2,970 fps. Au contraire! added very little weight to the rifle. Other features common among these cartridges include minimal body taper, steep shoulder angles, and tight throat dimensions. Founded by Frank Galli in 2000, Snipers Hide has been offering informational videos, podcasts, and other support to its users in one location. H4831 is a good starting point, although slower powders sometimes deliver higher velocities with 150- and 160-grain bullets. A Pachmayr Decelerator pad does a good job of soaking up recoil. That did not turn out to be true. Some cartridges, such as the .30/06 and .308, kept chugging along. It is flanked on one side by some excellent 6.5mm and 6mm rounds, and by outstanding 7mm and .30-caliber hammers on the other. Live Chat Live Chat. Combined, the higher velocity and higher BC offer a significant edge. Pretty cool. Besides loving big bore rifles, I like barrel burners too. The .270 Wby. But Ill keep my 7mm-08 for the family. The knock on easy-to-carry bantam rifles is that their slight build and thin-walled . Manageable recoil, flat shooting and enough umph to take deer easily. accuracy guarantee. Each piece is chamfered, deburred, checked for proper alignment and sized and . 27 Nosler Rifle Cartridge; 28 Nosler Rifle Cartridge; 30 Nosler Rifle Cartridge; 33 Nosler Rifle Cartridge; Team Nosler. The 27 Nosler is not presently offered in the Model 48 Long-Range with its all-steel barrel, but since the other Nosler cartridges are available in it, the 27 Nosler is likely to follow eventually. rifles is too slow to stabilize some of todays bullets, but later rifles with a 1:10 twist handle most of them just fine. . 47 / 0.03941 = 1192+. Thats 100 fps faster than the 6.5 Creedmoor pushes 140-grain bullets, and its nipping on the heels of many 7mm Rem. In those days the few firearms writers working regularly were big fans of the .30-06, and little positive mention was made of the new upstart. As would be expected, the 27 Nosler is a powerhouse. Having similar stocks on your rifles, helps to make me proficient moving from one rifle to the other in this environment. Everything considered, 130 grains has proven to be the ideal bullet weight, although I have often moved up to 150 grains when in elk country. No creep or overtravel were evident. We use cookies to make your experience better. As the name states, the 27 Nosler uses .277" bullets like the legendary .270 . COPYRIGHT 2023, WOMG. Seems like you'll be trying to burn a lot of powder in a .277 bore in a fairly short distance. Mag. Home; Our Story; Forum; Frequently Asked Questions; Mil/LEO Discount . I set up the rifle so that it hit 1.5 inches high at 100 yards, giving the bullet a 240-yard zero. Hunters take a good percentage of shots from their knees or on their butts. Getting bored with my 6.5 and 7mm's and up for something new. 6.5 mm PRC, .280 Ack. This doesnt do anything a dozen other chamberings cant do. Don't miss a story! Two questions about the .270 Win. But thats just me. Designed from the beginning to use the new .277 caliber 165gr AccuBond Long Range (.620 BC), 27 Nosler rifles used a faster 1:8.5 rifling twist rate and took the performance of the .277 caliber to the next level by allowing for the use of extremely high BC bullets in a .277 caliber cartridge. A number of powders have the correct burn rate for this cartridge, with CFE BLK, Accurate 1680, and Power Pro 1200R among the best choices. While there are a handful of options for 160 grain bullets in that caliber, a 1:10"rifling twist rate is usually not quite fast enough to properly stabilize bullets much heavier than 150 grains. I wonder what the recoil is like? The result is an offering from Nosler that redefines performance as radically now as the 270 Winchester did upon its introduction in 1925. The same applies to some of the maximum loads published in various reloading manuals. Thats more than 100 fps faster than the 7mm Rem. OConnor was also right about powder and bullet weight. 6.5 Creedmoor vs. 6.5 PRC: Which is Better? Kevin Steele of Petersen's HUNTING is at the Streamlight booth at SHOT Show 2023 to go over the Bear Trap light from Streamlight. The 27 Nosler, introduced in 2020, is the fifth cartridge developed by the family-operated company on the modified .404 Jeffery case. Heres how it performed, By The 95 year-old .270 Winchester cartridge? Learn all the details about this new rifle in my Nosler M21 review. This results in best-possible ballistic performance with minimal powder usage, maximum consistency in velocity, and impressive performance at a modest price in recoil. Nosler guarantees minute-of-angle accuracy for three-shot groups with the companys ammunition, and the 150-gr. Mag. I would love to find Hells Canyon x bolt 27 Nosler and mate it with Burris Eliminator 4 scope shooting 165 gr bullets. I came here to praise the .270, not to bury it. That bullet offers the best of all worlds, as it will reliably expand at longer ranges when it has slowed down a bit, yet will hold together at woods distances when velocities remain high . The short version is that weve had greater advancements in rifle accuracy in the past 20 years than in the 100 years prior. Just a year later, Browning and Winchester Ammunition collaborated and have just introduced what may be the most practical modern .270 cartridge yet. Factory ammo is loaded to chamber pressures that are quite safe in a freebored chamber but will likely generate excessive pressures when fired in a rifle with a standard chamber. I developed the loads for 130- and 160-grain bullets, and while they have not been pressure-tested, they were safe maximums in my rifle. Nosler has used several different triggers through the years, and this one has a fully adjustable Timney with a two-position safety that, when engaged, allows the bolt to be rotated for loading and unloading the chamber. If you hunt where the game is tough, the shots are long and demanding, and there is no room for compromise, there is no better choice than the 27 Nosler. The 27. Due the slight weight difference between the two, along with the stiffness of the PROOF Research barrel, once the rifle was sighted in the thread protector and the brake could be interchanged with no effect on zero. bullet and 0.620 for the 165-gr. The 6.8 SPC was introduced with great fanfare, and although it now appears to be struggling, plenty of rifles chambered for it are still being shot. Shooting flatter and with more downrange energy that a 270 Weatherby is quite a deal. This 8 twist 26" barrel loves 150gr Nosler ballistic tip and N570 with gm215m primers at a mild 3300 fps. It weighed 8 pounds, 13.5 ounces with a Bushnell 1.5-6X Elite 4200 scope in a Talley lightweight mount. Mikey Hartman, Lt. Col. OConnor passed away in 1978, but if he were still with us today would he abandon his beloved custom rifles in .270 Win. For those who do not know, OConnor was a prolific firearm writer who bought a rifle in .270 Win. A custom built one (twist, bullet selection, etc.) Learn more here: http://bit.ly/1G7xXag. Read today's "The Armed Citizen" entry for real stories of law-abiding citizens, past and present, who used their firearms to save lives. 350 white box Legend round is cheaper than the .223 now, hard to get these new calipers to stick around. It still wears the Weatherby 3-9X Supreme scope in a Buehler two-piece mount that came on it. of Israeli Defense Forces, joins David Fortier for an exclusive interview for Shotgun News. Reloder 50 did a good job behind the Nosler 160-grain Partition, and H50BMG and US 869 would likely do as well. The Weatherby accuracy guarantee is really Howas guarantee, and theyre assuming a 3-round group, which tells you that theyre going to choose a group out of several that will suffice. You can get some benefit of the extra capacity without turning it in to a barrel burner. With only 3 rounds in a group, youll find probably one three round group out of a 20-round box of ammo that will do it. Mag. Plus, the slightly smaller .270 projectile has a slightly higher BC than a similar-weight, similar-design 7mm bullet. All Petersen's Hunting subscribers now have digital access to their magazine content. Trophy Grade ammunition is loaded by Nosler with 150-gr. There were almost no high-Bc bullets being made to maximize range in the .270 space. Mag. Should you shoot the magazine empty and there is no time to reload, simply toss a cartridge through the ejection port, slam the bolt home and press the trigger. Weatherby rifles chambered for most of the Weatherby cartridges have always had freebored chambers that allow bullets to freetravel quite a long distance prior to engaging the rifling. John B. For decades, the .270 bullet space has been underloved by premium bullet makers most bullets for the .270 were hunting bullets, with a few varmint bullets for blowing up coyotes. Give a Gift Depending on bullet weight, powders with burn rates ranging from H4831 to Retumbo are viable candidates. The store will not work correctly in the case when cookies are disabled. Base diameter (immediately forward of the extraction groove) is 0.550", and from there it tapers to 0.528" at the body/shoulder juncture. Here's a photo that shows a general preview of the build. Area of the bore is 0.04676 in^2. Im going to pull the case capacity for the .27 Nosler from the .26 Nosler and the .28 Nosler, which Im seeing is about 94 grains. Theyre both the same diameter bore they both want to shoot bullets of 0.224 diameter. As a result, bullet manufacturers have never made high-BC bullets in .277 diameter (the actual size of .270 Win. Well, the company just formally introduced another member to the family: the 27 Nosler. Subscriber Services. Butt stroke a man with an M-4. Many F-class shooters tell me that with this cartridge, they can see their groups open up after about 1400 to 1600 rounds and these shooters really know how to care for their barrels. (Mmmm, speedgoat is tasty.). Looks good. Mine is an original Vanguard I and it hits where its pointing out to 350 yards. His other creations waiting impatiently in the wings are the 27 Nosler, the 35 Nosler, and the 36 Nosler. At 300 yards, the bullet has dropped less than 3.5 inches, and the holdovers at 350 and 400 yards amount to 7.5 and 13 inches, respectively. more than the 270 WSM at the muzzle. According to Nosler, with the 150-gr. Each cartridge in the Nosler lineup is named in accordance with the first two digits of the bullet diameter it uses: .224" for the 22 Nosler, .264" for the 26 Nosler, .284" for the 28 Nosler, .308" for the 30 Nosler, and .338" for the 33 Nosler. Then 2007 happened. The loads for 140- and 150-grain bullets in my chart were furnished by Nosler and did not exceed 61,750 psi in Noslers 26-inch pressure barrel. Sends it through the roof. Cartridge neck diameter with a bullet seated is 0.311 inch. All above is from memory. Yote Klr Private. There was a guy at my club who loved barrel burning ridiculously fast wildcat calibers. I suppose if you wanted to shoot antelope at 1200 yards, this is the ticket. A rifle so chambered is more likely to shoot a variety of bullet types more accurately, but maximum velocities attainable at acceptable chamber pressures will fall about 100 fps short of what is possible with a freebored chamber. Being able to use Lapua brass would be a plus. of energy over the 270 Win and 600ft./lbs. I used an RCBS die set and first tried running a case through the full-length resizing die with its mouth in contact with the shellholder. AccuBond and 165-gr. Could be wrong. The addition of a Nightforce 3-10X 42 mm scope, Talley 30 mm rings and Picatinny rail, along with three 27 Nosler cartridges and a light nylon sling took the hunt-ready weight to an ounce past 9 lbs. The 26 Nosler introduced in 2013 was followed by the 28 Nosler in 2015, the 30 Nosler in 2016, and the 33 Nosler in 2017. 94 / 0.06026 = 1560. We manufacture Partition, AccuBond, E-Tip, Ballistic Tip, Custom Competition and much more. 3,399. Unprimed cases are available from Hornady, Nosler, Norma, and Weatherby. Nosler has introduced the 27 Nosler, a 27-caliber cartridge based on the "fat" .404 Jeffery case, same as the .30, .28, and .26 Noslers. Publisher, Kevin Steele is with Brett Marquardt from Streamlight Inc. discussing the new Streamlight Pro Tac 2.0, the latest edition in the Pro Tac series. Noslers complete line of M48 rifles will also be available chambered in 27 Nosler and for reloaders, fully prepped, Nosler premium cartridge brass in 27 Nosler will be available in 25ct boxes. For old-school hunters like myself, I included the grand old Nosler 160-gr. It was decided that bullet and cartridge neck diameter alone was not enough to guarantee that someone with arms like Popeye (the Sailor Man) could not force a 28 Nosler cartridge into a rifle chambered for the 27 Nosler. Conceived as a 21st century upgrade, the 27 Nosler delivers previously unobtainable downrange ballistics by pairing the ultimate combination of case capacity with modern long-for-caliber bullets. To comply with the new e-Privacy directive, we need to ask for your consent to set the cookies. and other cartridges on the Holland & Holland-style case. From the postWorld War II era right up to the early 2000s, the .270 was a colossus among big-game hunting cartridges, a mighty twin of the immortal .30/06. For the best experience on our site, be sure to turn on Javascript in your browser. Among my handloads, Reloder 25 and the Swift 130-gr. So 8 rds. Why did its designers neck down the .30-03 case and not the slightly shorter .30-06 case, which had replaced it 19 years before the .270 Win. 27 Nosler Cartridge. In 1970, Jack OConnor, who was a major force behind the .270s ascendance, said that by his estimation, more custom sporting rifles had been chambered in that cartridge than in any other in the postwar years. Based on the 404 Jeffrey Same case as the 30 Nosler When compared to the 28 Nosler, the 27 Nosler has a longer neck and a shorter length to the shoulder to prevent the 28 from being chambered in the 27. He hunted with and wrote about other cartridges, including the 7x57 mm Mauser, .30-06 Sprg. That will be perfect for the new .277" 165 grain AccuBond Long Range bullets they're also rolling out in 2020. Special order / hard to get parts for a rifle, thats just not my style. RCBS reloading dies are also currently available for the cartridge. This isn't your grandpa's muzzleloading system. Uniformly round holes in paper targets indicated stability with all bullets tested. I was especially interested in the 27 Nosler, and while there are no immediate plans to offer unprimed cases, ammunition, or rifles chambered for it, my friends at Nosler kindly agreed to build a Model 48 Liberty in 27 Nosler for this report. I was right. One was this insane .300 RUM necked down to 6.0 mm with MV in the 4000 fps range. JavaScript seems to be disabled in your browser. ??? My only criticism of the stock is the large size and shape of its grip. For over 90 years, American hunters have taken to the field in pursuit of nearly all the game the lower 48 states have to offer with a trusty 270 in hand. In 2004 I hunted caribou in Canada, and because two bulls could be taken legally, I took along two Remington 700 rifles, one in 7mm Remington Magnum, the other in 6.8 SPC. The bore area of a .270 (land-land diameter of about 0.277) is 0.06026 in.^2. Then somebody will discover that some obscure English bespoke company duplicated it in 1906 or thereabouts, basing it upon a cartridge that the Germans created it by modifying a standard military cartridge of some sort, but unfortunately named it the 6.858 KinderSchuleBrechendGeschoss which just doesnt roll off the tongue like 6.8mm Super Creedmoor.. Another thing I will mention is the saami spec 27 nosler reamer has a very short freebore,I recommend having it throated a touch longer if you decide on the 165-170 class bullets. A big chunk of what youre buying in Dakotas classic rifles is a really nice stick of walnut. Share: Facebook Twitter WhatsApp Email Share Link. I am just glad they are making the 165 grain long distance projectiles to be used in my 270. I mention this because if one of those rifles is purchased on the used-gun market, a couple of things should be kept in mind. Well, the folks at Nosler decided to use a 1:8.5" twist barrel for their M48 rifles chambered in 27 Nosler. My name was engraved on a gold plate inletted into the bottom of its fore-end, and the rifle was presented to me on a special occasion by Roy Weatherby. DG, Head height is the distance from the mouth of the cartridge case to the tip of the loaded bullet. Nosler's stated goal in the 27 Nosler is to produce a more capable long-range hunting cartridge. The 27 Nosler is an impressive cartridge, but I dont believe anyone reading this will live long enough to see it entirely replace the .270 Win. I became a big OConnor fan during my youth, but I did not get around to hunting with the .270 until the early 1960s. 27 Nosler Ah why not? was not a lot faster than the .270 Win. Both rifles depart the factory with the same one-m.o.a. Cases are readily available and inexpensive. As I say, Ill have to sit down with the prints and look at them. ! fanboys who will jump on this, legend has it that when the man died he had sold nearly all of his 270s and had been working extensively with the 280 Remington in his final years so there. IMR 7977 and IMR 7828 proved to be excellent choices behind 130-grain bullets, and when burned behind 140- and 150-grain bullets, Retumbo proved to be up to the task in both accuracy and velocity. Neither is there a shortage of reloading components. Better neck on the 27N. Buy Nosler M48 Mountain Carbon Bolt Action Rifle .27 Nosler: GunBroker is the largest seller of Bolt Action Rifles Rifles Guns & Firearms All: 984471926. . Scirocco II won the velocity race, while the combination of VihtaVouri N570 and Berger 170-gr. The 27 Nosler case is easily formed by necking down 30 Nosler brass. Shop our vast selection and save! I believe it held 10 rds. Nosler 27 Nosler Rifle Reloading Brass - 25 Count. KC. The result is a cartridge with a very large case capacity that still fits in a standard length rifle action. Jul 1, 2019 #4 ; Thats right, i forgot. My antelope was feeding with another buck along the edge of a big water hole in a sage flat. The 6.8 SPC is rated to handle 80,000 psi of chamber pressure and will drive a 135-grain bullet from SIGs Hybrid Match cartridge, with a .488 G1 BC, 3,000 fps from a 16-inch barrel, and produce 2,694 ft.-lbs of energy and SIGs 277 Fury Hybrid Hunting load features a 140-grain bullet with a .508 G1 BC, launching from a 16-inch barrel at 2,950 fps. Besides, why not just go with .300 Win. I also shoot a 300 Weatherby (and a .257) and the 300 punishes the plate in my neck. Just like the other Nosler cartridges (with the exception of the 22 Nosler), the 27 Nosler uses a rebated rim case descended from the .300 Remington Ultra Magnum, which is itself descended from the .404 Jeffery. Also, need to know if anyone would have a Reamer who could chamber a Remage barrel in 27 Nosler. Custom? Publisher Kevin Steele is in the Beretta booth with Logan Killam, the Shotgun Product Manager, to discuss the all new Beretta A300 Ultima Turkey. They dont try to look like tacti-cool products. Oh, and the Dakota rifles are very nice rifles. If all you want to do is shoot partitions then go right ahead and knock yourself out honey, but there are better tools available now for anything else. The 27 Nosler has a long leade for sleek, high BC, long ogive, ABLR and RDF style bullets. Cases sized in that manner allowed the bolt to close and lock up with only light resistance. Availability of 27 Nosler ammunition loaded with the standard 150-gr. Like what you see? 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